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>> so there's a big kind of fierce debate. and, of course, the fact the debate goes on makes everyone else more interested in the case. >> during the 19 months that they were jailed, how were the three little girls? was there any special attention given to them? >> yes. okay, so glad you asked this question because it wanted to go back and show you what a
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difference history from below makes. okay, remember professor gives, county from one to 10? i've had a story about five days after they moved to new haven. one man says the three little girls were teaching several gentlemen how to count from one to 10 in their native language. so the best idea of the professor be had he got from the three little girls, okay? so they were in an unusual position, and they were actually the source of considerable conflict. because what the jilted was remove the three little girls to become his personal service. in his household. and i can tell you that the other man didn't like it one bit. hardly because it separated their collection. they wanted to keep everybody together. there was nothing they could really do about it. the jailer had power over them
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while they were in jail. well, eventually they began to complain because the three little girls were not learning to speak english as well as the little boy who was the counterpoint. they were blaming then the jailer for not contributing to their education. whereupon the jailer and his wife made several racist comments about why would you want to try to educate these monkeys, anyway? so, so this became kind of part of tension. the little girls were put into a different category, and then there was later on a very big battle over who should be their proper, who should be in charge of their lives basically. and they removed legally the amistad africans and the abolitionist removed them from the household of the jailer and they then began to be close to
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the africans themselves. the question wasn't they also go back to sierra leone? yesterday. all three little girls actually remained with the nation for many years, and margru actually came back to the united states. i do believe the first black female graduate of oberlin college. then went back to sierra leone as a missionary. most of the adult men were able to find their families. actually, did what they wanted to do when they went back. they wanted to go back to their lives. it is a tragic counterpoint, because when he got back to his village, searching for his wife and three children, be
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discovered that the village had been completely destroyed. the warfare that continued after his own enslavement. so it was true that the larger reality of the war and slave trade was beyond his ability to control come into the did win one great victory, he lost his family. >> i had a question about the missionaries. you talk about how missionaries teach again whether not they are raise christian or not. i was interested in how well david missionaries think they succeeded and in what ways did the africans use the things to further their own and? >> good question, thank you. i think the missionaries, including the most religious of the abolitionist were properly
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realistic insane that they knew that the amistad africans were willing to study christie on the but they did not think that they've embraced it. maybe if you had, they hoped. but it turns out this is, this is a really interesting and complex question because clearly the, stop africans recognized what was important to the abolitionists. so their attitude was, he wants to study your language and your religion, we will do it. but at the same time we are going to insist on their own identity as a people. so you could say that the african identity grew as a counterpoint to this idea that they should become civilized christians.
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now, all of these tensions were on display because once the supreme court ruled in their favor, and said they could go home, well, the supreme court also ruled the united states government had no responsibility to pay for their going home, so how were they going to get home? well, for the longest time, people believed lewis and some other wealthy abolitionists would pay for this, but, in fact, what happened was the abolitionists with the cooperation of the amistad africans organize a big tour up and down the eastern seaboard in which the amistad africans would go and speak and perform, perform their knowledge of christianity, performed their knowledge of english, perform their civilization. and at the same time they would insist on singing their native african song.
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the african side was always there. and here's the wildest part of it all. the main event in everyone of these performances, and they all, by the way, performed before packed houses. i mean, the common comment on these meetings, they couldn't get everybody in the wanted to see it. we are talking sometimes churches that little two or 3000 people. the highlight of the event was when sinka rose to take the floor to tell the story, and literally to act out the rebellion, and he spoke only his language. this was the way they were going to do it. and i can't tell you the number of people who comment. basic him he is one of the most powerful orator's we have ever
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seen, even though we couldn't understand a word he was saying. but in not understand what he was saying, a different point was being made. we are mandate people. this is our link which. we will speak in our language. this is our story. and that's what sinka did. and every one of these meetings he told his story. so it's a fascinating thing to see how this matter of the kind of christian identity and african identity are linked. [applause] >> thank you very much for coming out tonight. just would like to invite back for a reception here and he will be back to answer any further questions and sign books. thank you very much again. >> for more information visit the author's website,
7:08 am >> within the confines of the book you can only do so much. so we wanted diversity. we wanted democrats and republicans. we wanted different parts of the country. to some extent we wanted different ages. we knew on the basis of nine, you can't make generalizations about 100% certain. and we say as much in the book. we come to conclusions our hypotheses are what other people might run with. but in order to make even those kind of hypotheses we needed a fairly diverse group. spent we also included women. there's the white house project it's been around for a while, separate election cycles, and they had eight in '08.
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several other women the white house project has identified several years before the 2008 election, olympia snowe, kathleen sebelius are both a new. and we wanted to also consider this notion. barbara lee who was here several years ago but when you did the last round, had talked about looking at women governors to watch some of the women governors. so they been through some of barbara lee's training as portraits of a tight line. >> we also made the observation that when a male is elected to senator schiff, immediately he is guess as a future presidential hopeful. for example, scott brown hadn't even been sworn in yet in massachusetts and the url scott brown was already purchased. but so may women had been in washington for so many years as legislators, working on important work, and yet their names never bubbled to the top.
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and we were curious why not? >> how did you decide you wanted to write this book with all three of you have studied similar topics, but how did the book actually come about? >> your idea. >> well, i guess it was my idea. i've been a political nerd, i don't know, my parents still remember my sister and i in 1960 stagy a nixon-kennedy debate with our stuffed animals. my alpha and beta her rabbit. -- my elephant beat her rabbit. during all those years of nerve them, what always -- the magis that would come out that would preview the eight or 10 or 12 evil ought to be considered. and it simply struck me after
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seeing so many of those issues, so many magazines, that women were not making it on to that list. they were not being thought to be presidential. they were thought for some reason not to be presidential timber. so as an academic commute in to ask, well, why? that for me was the origin of the book. >> you can watch this and other programs online at >> with one month left in 2012, many publications are putting together their year end lists of notable books. booktv will feature several of these lists focusing on nonfiction selection. these nonfiction titles were included in the financial times best books of 2012.
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>> for an extended list and links to various publications 2012 notable book selections, visit booktv's website,, or our facebook page,
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>> and according to author mike lofgren, "the party is over." mr. lofgren, how did the republicans go crazy? >> well, they got crazy when they became kind of an apocalyptic cold that lived in its own bubble, and i think we have seen that in the last election. they simply could not believe the public poll, what they were saying, that obama was probably going to win and that most democratic senate candidates were going to win. they were shellshocked in their own word. and if they cannot sort of accept empirical reality, they are going to be in big trouble in the succeeding election. >> democrats became useless? >> well, they become useless in that they have become part of the party of me too, but less
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that after three successive losses and presidential elections in the '80s, they kind of retold and became more corporate friendly. and many people think, and i happen to be one of them, for all that obama has excoriated for all kind of kenyan observer who is a muslim and a socialist at once, he is pretty much fulfilled george bush's third term in national security matters. >> and finally, how does a middle-class figure into your thesis of? >> well, the middle-class figures in middle-class figures income and they're the ones who got shafted, because there was a bipartisan move. clinton was president. the republicans mainly were running congress when we had aims like nafta. china most favored nation status, the wto, the world trade organization.
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